EP 11 - Storytelling with Maggie Mills
Maggie Mills shares how she’s helped others uncover the story within them. Her curiosity is contagious. She believes there is an opportunity for every type of book in every individual, from children's books to non-fiction. Her years of experience and calming presence inspire anyone thinking of becoming an author to believe it is possible! Embrace the story within you as you consider what it’s like to work with a Ghost Writer!
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Jaime White 00:01
Hello, and welcome to the Believe Crew Podcast; The business is You. I'm Jamie White, Founder of Believe Crew and your host. Let's jump right in. I'm here with Maggie Mills today. And how are you?
Maggie Mills 00:14
Oh, I'm delighted to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me. Because we had a wonderful conversation when we met previously. And I think we have similar views and enthusiasm. So thank you for the opportunity to talk.
Jaime White 00:30
Yeah, absolutely. Knowing that I am meeting a ghostwriter. I know that maybe in your world, that's normal. But for me, it's not. So this is my first experience, actually meeting a ghostwriter and getting to hear all about what you do. So I cannot wait to dig in.
Maggie Mills 00:47
You'll have to cut me off when the time is over. Because
Jaime White 00:51
who knew? Who knew? So ghostwriters are very talkative. Is that a thing? I didn't know that.
Maggie Mills 00:58
We're all very many other ghostwriters. Really. Our job really is to stay in the background. And no one knows us. It's completely anonymous. And I love that. So maybe that's why when they have the opportunity, I talk.
Jaime White 01:13
Maggie Mills 01:14
I'm out the front now and people can know who I am.
Jaime White 01:17
Yeah, yeah. So how in the world did you get into it?
Maggie Mills 01:22
Like most of my career, I fell into it backwards. I've been writing and editing for a number of years. And I was working with a publisher. And it just sort of snowballed. Editing went into rewriting went into, by the way, can you just write the whole book? And of course, I said, Oh, yes. Yes, of course I can. And I just did.
Jaime White 01:52
Was it any particular topic that you loved at the time? Or was it just,
I've been very fortunate. I know, in business, they tell you all about the niche. So in one respect, I do have my niche with writing, and editing. But the subject matter and the type of authors I work with are all over the place. And I really love that. And in my writing career, I've written for a biker magazine. Fashion. I've written for preachers, lawyers, Wall Street stockbrokers, education, medical, I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff.
Jaime White 02:40
So and everything from fiction and nonfiction, anything from short stories to long, like, no real niche.
Maggie Mills 02:49
For the fiction work, I will coach authors, they do their own writing, and then I come back and you know, we meet every two weeks and talk about what they've written. And we sort of brainstorm where they go from there. So they do their own writing, and I talk them through exercises that make it fun and a little bit easier to get those chapters finished.
Jaime White 03:17
My son has a hidden interest in becoming an author someday. And I say hidden because he's out on the construction site every day. So it's a very, you know, like everyone thinks he's gonna run a construction company, and maybe he will. But right now his, you know, hidden talent, you could say that he's, you know, I think he's trying to get stories from a construction site. They just don't know it yet. But if you if you knew there was a young, you know, potential author that was looking to curate a story, where would you suggest they start?
Maggie Mills 03:52
This is something I actually love doing, because I will meet people through business. And I love encouraging other writers, and I'm happy to meet with all of them. And as a general rule, I say, start taking down notes about your ideas right away, in whichever way you like to keep notes. You know, some people want to talk into their phone. A lot of people like to write longhand, or create Word documents, to start gathering all the information and ideas and have it in a place you can find it
Jaime White 04:27
the secret? Where can you find it?
Again, you know, cassette tapes may not be your best choice. Oh, yeah. Although I'm sure there's somebody who can convert them. But I say don't try to write the book right away, because that puts so much pressure on people, but make notes of your stories. And then a part of the process in working with authors is that we'll start talking about the story and that refreshes their memory. It comes back even more vividly, it's the conversations that bring it to life. So just save your notes, write it all down, whatever strikes you. And then you'll have a lot of the work done when you're ready to write your book.
Jaime White 05:12
I love that, you know, there was something recently in the coaching industry that we heard about the power of experiences, and remembering your experiences, and, you know, really coming from a place of being able to recognize how did I feel in that experience? And so really, what you're saying is, like, it's like, we all have books inside of us. And we don't even know.
Maggie Mills 05:31
Oh, absolutely. And I think just from the example, example of all the different types of authors I've worked with, these are not people who went through college and have English degrees, you know, they're from all walks of life, which makes it fascinating. They, they have so much to share from so many different perspectives. Yes, I think almost everyone has a book in them.
Jaime White 05:57
That's amazing. So when you work with someone, how are you typically working? Is it one on one work, you're doing editing, you're doing the muscle behind it, you're either or both.
Maggie Mills 06:10
It is one on one. Because I love that I know, from a business point of view, we always want to scale up. And I do it a little bit differently. Because working with authors is it's very intimate, because in many cases, they're retelling experiences from their life that are quite emotional and cathartic for them. And there, you need to have a trusting relationship. And I like to give people my full attention when we talk because I am very interested in what they have to say. And part of what brings that memory back more vividly for them, which in turn translates into the book is that I ask a lot of questions. Because I'm curious, which is a nicer word. I would say. I'm curious. Yes. For instance, someone was telling me about it was very important to her to spend time with her grandmother when she was growing up. Okay, well, that's a blanket statement that a lot of us can identify with. So I would ask her, where did your grandmother live? Did she live in the city in a row house and you had to walk up the steps to get to her house? Was the kitchen in the back of the house? Could you smell what was on the stove? When you walked in the door? Did you go on Sundays? You know, was your grandmother a huggable type of woman who would come out and grab you and squeeze you? Or why is she more standoffish? So we ask these type of questions. And it gets people to think about what it was really like. And, you know, so you're including the senses. Like for instance, my mother-in-law would either have opera or Frank Sinatra playing in the house on Sundays. So we invoke you know, what were we hearing? Yeah, who was there? What did it smell like? I could smell the sauce in the back of the stove, you know?
Jaime White 08:14
So are you in the end sort of a pseudo therapist for some
Jaime White 08:23
love that it's a hidden, it's, it's there's different ways to do therapy and healing. And I could see how writing a book, whether or not it sold would be one of the most healing things a person could do.
Maggie Mills 08:37
This is the feedback you are absolutely on target about that you're so intuitive about the experience. It's a thank you for saying that. Yes, I hear this almost from every author, every type of book, even if it's a business book, that it helps them heal. And not only does it help people heal, when we talk about people in the book, you know, my ex husband or my former boss, my sister, we discussed are we going to name them by name or do you want a pseudonym? Which is perfectly acceptable, we just put a little thing in the beginning of the book, I've changed the names. And I always bring up the option of Do you want to discuss this with your family before it goes to print? Let them know you're writing a book. If they're featured in the book, maybe let them see a chapter or two. And this also brings about healing to discuss with the family. Things that the children didn't know adult children. You want to talk to them about this perhaps before it goes in print.
Jaime White 09:56
Yeah. So when someone is say Here's this whisper of like, I'd like to write a book. And at what point? I mean, do they have to come to you with an idea? Or can they come to you and just say, I don't even know. But I just know I want to write something.
Maggie Mills 10:13
Almost everyone already has the idea whether they admit it or not, you know, they might be a little hesitant to talk about what the idea is, because...
Jaime White 10:23
It's so close to their heart
Maggie Mills 10:24
it's close to their heart, and they don't know if other people think it's valuable. But if it's even crossed your mind, it is valuable. And so that people come to me from every stage from I just had this idea to I have been working on this book for 20 years, I have 20 notebooks, a box full of tapes, I've saved all these pictures. So we, we get the gamut from just an idea to a room full of documents. And we start there. And we work on an outline. And an outline is like a living document, it's just a place to start to get you moving and sort of remind you where you want to go. And that outline will change as the book progresses. Because as you write a chapter, it might get really long and you decide, I'm actually covering three topics in one chapter, will become three chapters. So I sort of look at that outline. As I'm free, I'm gonna say the wrong word like the armature of a float, a Mardi Gras float, you know, it's the steel structure. And then on top of that, you add all the decorations that make it into the beautiful piece that it finally becomes, but you need to start somewhere. And you can change that up a little bit. And that gets people moving.
Jaime White 11:59
I can feel the inspiration, like just I don't know, I think I feel the belief that you have that everyone has that story in them and the belief in yourself, that you're able to help curate that bring that out and through asking questions. So how long have you been doing this?
Maggie Mills 12:16
Oh, my gosh. I kind of circle back to it. I started writing, I wrote my first television script when I was about five years old. No, nobody picked it up. But I made a little television box. Remember when we made everything boxes, you could make, you know, a volcano out of a shoebox. There was a little television set. And we created a my mother was very talented. We created a roll of paper. And I drew out all the storyboards on the paper. And I wrote the script for the television show. So I started them. And then people started paying me for this much later. started writing for newspapers and again, magazines, got into bookwork just through referrals and just dug deeper and deeper. So professionally, maybe held my decades, let's just say decades.
Jaime White 13:21
Wow. That is incredible. And so not only do you have this belief that you can help people bring out a story no matter who they are and where they're at in the journey. But you also you see it and you're interested. I mean, still, you're still interested in more stories?
Maggie Mills 13:40
Yes, yes. Because everyone that comes to me is a little bit different. And I think you talk a lot about belief. And that's so important. And I always try to encourage others. But I think my belief comes from, I don't know everything. And as long as I focus on serving the author, because it's going to look different with every book. Some people are naturally very good writers. And they just need encouragement. A lot of it is discipline. Those of us in business, we're pretty quick to admit most people across the board. I'm really good at this, that or the other but I could use some belt with a discipline. Know when people know they have a call with me on Thursday, they get to work Wednesday. Oh my gosh, I gotta pay myself and send it to Maggie to read.
Jaime White 14:41
Absolutely. Absolutely hiring a coach for me, like literally paying for it being willing to commit to it. It's almost like as soon as I commit to it, then I did whatever I said I was gonna do. And I'm like, you know, you get to that point where like, did I even need to make the meeting? Yes, yes, you did. But it was really about making commitment.
Maggie Mills 15:01
Yes, that's a good word. It is a commitment. And it's kind of a little bit of a game. They think they're making the commitment to be I need to show up for Maggie, but they're really showing up for themselves. And especially people who've been working on a book for a long time. This is I'm kind of the excuse. Oh, well, I need to put two hours in on that this week, because I have a meeting with Maggie. It's about finishing up their dream. I'm experiencing that right now with one of my authors who's writing a children's book, he is absolutely delightful. And he's one of these people. I've had notes for years and years. And I am so excited to watch this project take off for him. Now it's becoming real. It's more than just, I've always wanted to do this. He's working with an illustrator introducing him to publishers, it's real.
Jaime White 15:59
I was just going to ask how you then help people through the process? Like, do you help them pick what type of book? And I mean, any, this is, my mind is just a little bit blown. Because when you think about all of the different methods that you could publish something, and in, especially in hardcover, or you know, soft or like, how do you help make those decisions?
Maggie Mills 16:23
That is an excellent question. Because you're right, the world of publishing has just opened up so much, which is very exciting. So I make a point of meeting as many publishers as I can, in as many different genres, so that I can connect them to authors. And every publisher offers a little bit different type of service from, there's a lot that people can DIY, you can load a book yourself up onto Amazon, it is possible. And so there are publishers, who, they'll just get it up on Amazon for you, they'll get it onto the shelves in Barnes and Noble, then they help with marketing, which I think is very important, you can write the next best seller, but if no one knows it's there, to buy it, it will lay dormant and you'll sell three copies to your friends. Right? But maybe, right. So there are also publishers, who will just teach you marketing or do the marketing for you. And there are publishers who say, we will guarantee you a New York Times bestseller if you work with us. So it's all over the place. And I give the author choices, I'll say, here are some publishers who might fit with you look at them, it needs to be a good fit, like choosing a doctor, you need to feel comfortable with them. And I turn it over sometimes I'll attend initial meetings with them to help them ask questions. But I stick with the creative side. Yeah, I don't try to do any of the publishing side because it's huge.
Jaime White 18:10
Well, you stick with the creative side, but then you have all the resources that we still need. When we're thinking about this?
Maggie Mills 18:19
I love to connect people, you know, illustrators and things like that. I tried to put people together,
Jaime White 18:24
you're a creator, making it happen. So what do you know about yourself? That just helps you and inspires you everyday? Like, are you working in your zone of genius? It sounds like you are most of the time?
Maggie Mills 18:40
Ah, okay, I have I have everything with me as a story. Okay, so the story goes, about 20 years ago, I had a meeting with a doctor. And she was just a lovely person. And never she was sort of a homeopathic doctor, and she took two hours to meet with me, that just doesn't happen. She asked me all about my life and what I was eating and my work and what I was doing. And she looked at me and she said, You should help people write their books. And I thought, Oh, she's being really nice. I had never heard of anything like that in my life. I thought, it's a nice idea. But who would pay for that, you know, and I just sort of, like, locked that away in a far distant corner of my brain when she's just being nice, you know? And then a series of events happened and I was working with publishers on editing and things like that. And it just evolved. And the publishers started to ask me, could you just meet with the authors? I think, you know, they have so many questions about the process and you do this all the time. Would you mind meeting with them? And from the first moment I met with an author I just went, this is where I belong. I love that because all of my years of all this obscure detail and all these crazy experiences I've had, I actually have information that can help them. Here, take it. You know, this happened, you know, 2012. And if that helps you, here we go. Yeah, it was like the first minute. And from that moment on, I just felt like this is where I belong. This is why I've had so many crazy jobs and crazy experiences, because it all makes sense and how it's all coming together. Because I grew up in a time where you went to school, if you went to college, you chose a major, you went to one school, that's the field you went into. And I blew that went out of the water. Immediately, I left home at 17, I wound up going to five different colleges, studying everything from art and photography and design, to Chinese history and geography. I had more miners than anybody. And I used to be embarrassed because I wasn't focused. And I was working my way through college doing graphic design. And I had a lovely client, who I was taking designs over to her house one day delivering them to her. She put on continuing education in the health field. And she would arrange these classes all over the world. So doctors and nurses could get a vacation out of their continuing education. And I really admired her because that takes so much knowledge to do that. And he went to her house and I met with her and she was very nice and friendly. And she was asking me, well, what are you doing? And I was probably like, it took me 10 years to get through these five colleges. It was probably like in my 10th year. And I said well, I'm doing this, that and the other and I guess I better focus on one thing. And she looked at me and she said, why? And I went, I couldn't answer her. She said Do you know what I used to do before I started leading all these medical CPUs, and I said I have no idea. She said I was a Rockette. So and I don't know if all your listeners will know what a Rockette is. But it's a dancer at Radio City Music Hall in New York. And they're especially famous for the Christmas show where they all stand in line and they kick their legs. So she was a Rockette. She said, and in addition to that, I'm a character actress here will get my sheet. So she was so inspiring, that we don't necessarily have to focus on one thing. What you experience may help someone else one day.
Jaime White 23:01
You're story is very inspiring. And it speaks to so much of what I believe like this idea that there's just this linear path to success or linear path to adulting is sort of setting people up for the opposite of success.
Maggie Mills 23:18
It's it's very, it's very stressful.
Jaime White 23:23
Yeah, you know how many kids have anxiety today. Sorry to interrupt I.
Maggie Mills 23:28
No, no, no, I'm see that's called enthusiasm. That's not interuppting. You're inspired! Yes, I agree with you. I see it. Because when I got out of college, of course, I was working all my way through college. But there was never a moment of oh, what now? I just kept churning forward. And I see this, I started to see it with my son's contemporaries. They would come over to the house for dinner, and we'd start talking, and they were just very anxious about what to do. And I'm watching people just go for one degree after another degree after another degree. Because they don't know what to do outside of the academic world. It's very intimidating to them. So while that wasn't my experience, I'm watching it and trying to understand Yeah, and there is so much pressure put on people. The reality is you can be successful by not following that linear path.
Jaime White 24:31
Yes, yes. I think that that's the story that I would like for others to hear is that the opportunity to be working in your zone of genius, and being who you're meant to be is really not necessarily a linear path. And it's not necessarily traditional, like the idea of being a ghostwriter. I mean, there's people that I've talked to today, and I've said, Well, did you know there's the option of being a copywriter? And they're like, what's a copywriter? Or like any kind of virtual assistant now you know, in today's world, the opportunities have shifted because of the technology that we have. And I think it's amazing, you know, for everybody to be able to look outside of the geographical boundaries that used to exist. So is there anything else that comes to mind that you would love to share with anyone considering their future and their future in business, specifically, if they were considering going out on their own?
Maggie Mills 25:25
Yes, okay, let me narrow this down to like 500 things I want to share. It is very easy to fall into the pressure of the right way of doing something and big numbers. It's all about how many followers do you have? How big is your email list. And this works, there's no doubt about it, the more followers you have, and the more clicks of a, it doesn't work for everybody. In every circumstance, in every type of business, you have to trust yourself enough to know and believe in the things that work for you. And I see how this happens. And there's like this moment of guilt, I belong to a number of business groups. And I'll see everyone else talking about, you know, client management systems, and this, that and the other. And some of the things we just mentioned, they don't have because your email list or like, I don't, I have written 1000s of business emails for people in my life. I don't email people. And I used to have a blog. Like, seriously, who in the right mind wants to read about the proper use of a semicolon, it's just ridiculous. There's like four other geeks out there, and they're not gonna buy anything from me, that's fine. We can geek out on punctuation over cocktails, you know. So people who people need to believe in what works for their business, it's good to listen to all the options that you can do. And when I shifted away from feeling like I need to do all these marketing things, because I'm doing them for other people. And I don't even have my own email list. Marketing is all about reaching out and grabbing them and bringing them in. And I shifted to serving instead of selling. This will not work for major corporations. But it works for me. And the minute I made that shift in my mind and went, you know what? I don't want to deal with 40 and 50 authors at once on a call. That's cool for the people who like that. Right? I love dealing with people one on one, right? And as soon as I got comfortable with that, and went, maybe I won't make millions of dollars. But I love my work. This beautiful thing happened. The work started flowing to me effortlessly. And moreof, I got paid more.
Jaime White 28:39
How do I say that nicely. The business, the business started to work. I love it. And then you had new things to learn, right? How to where to put all your money and what to invest in next, and investing in yourself in a different way instead of investing outward marketing, being who you are, and be more clear on who you are.
Maggie Mills 28:59
Oh, that's so good that you said that. Because yes, I shifted my money from should I buy AdWords to? Should I join this coaching program? Or should I work with this person? And yes, oh, no wonder you do what you do you, you're brilliant!
Jaime White 29:22
Well, I think that the business is inside of us. And I love what you had said before about what other people think our business should be and how we present ourselves and how many followers we have. And one of the businesses I used to run. I actually liked the fact I know this maybe sounds terrible, but it has like two and a half stars on Google. And so the reviews are not very good. And it was a multimillion-dollar business that did amazing work with clients. And so but, you know, if you were to look up the reviews, you wouldn't think so. But the clients all knew. Right. And so that was what mattered. And we continued to deliver consistently and I think, you know, trying to build a sustainable business where you're delivering consistently is really where the model, you know, like that's a foundation where you can show up the best version of you and deliver for your clients and serving them makes me think of the Go-Giver book that we've recently read where it talks about, you know, how can you serve others? It's just been inspirational. Are there any other books speaking of books that have inspired you?
Maggie Mills 30:25
Oh, my gosh, oh. My crazy reading list. Okay. I didn't read children's books. I read the Seth books by Jane Roberts. I read the Warren Commission Report. Politics. I read Dr. Norman Vincent Peale. Who Louise Hay, all of those type more inspirational than business. I guess the closest I got to business was Tony Robbins. Who does, yeah, that's very inspiring. They're all marked up and you know, pages folded and everything. But I was getting my guidance from more spiritual books, I think. Ya know that now that you've had me think about this, and even the way I organize my work came from a book, written by James Roberts, talking about how artists can be productive. And this crazy method still works for me. And I actually recommended it to a client yesterday.
Jaime White 31:54
I love that there's a book called, oh, there's a book called The War of Art. And there's a book called The Art of War. And I cannot remember which one it is, but it's not the more popular one, the whatever one I'm talking about. And then his second book is turning pro. And when I read that, and he says, you know, are you living in a shadow career? You know, like, is this something that you're kind of like, Yeah, and like, oh, I felt that. And so some of those more inspirational even speaking to artists, you know, like, I think you're, again, speaking to the heart of something like I was a traditional student, where I got the A's, I did what I was supposed to do. And there were so many people in the room that weren't getting the A's that weren't doing it, right, according to the system, right? That were so creative. And maybe it's dyslexic, you know, maybe they had other gifts and talents that weren't being rewarded in the system. And so I started to see like, just because I'm one that fits in the system doesn't mean that and so in the end, I learned for myself that I was like, something is missing here. Where we're not really but especially for artists, especially artists, I feel like kind of got lost. So many could get easily lost in the shuffle or hear the words, like, I think you need to get a real job, or like, need to be a little bit more practical. Is that true ,have you heard that?
Maggie Mills 33:21
I am so glad that the education system is changing. Because there are brilliant people out there who are terrible students. Yeah. And they should not take that as a measure of their intelligence. A lot of these people are coming to me now as authors. I'm fortunate enough that I worked for Calvert homeschooling in their publishing division. And that is where I learned about the different types of learning. And it just opened my mind up that some people are visual learners. Some people learn better by listening to things. Some people are kinesthetic learners, they had an entire curriculum for these different learning styles. And one of the things we learned about one of the things I learned is the research done about students who had different learning abilities, whether it was ADHD or dyslexia, that their parents also had the same communication styles and challenges, but they were undiagnosed because they weren't recognized when they were in school. And these people have developed compensating skills throughout their entire lives. And so many people still don't recognize that they learn one better one way than another right they just very frustrated. And I have clients coming to me now that some Have them know they're dyslexic, and ADD. And they don't feel prior to our meeting, they didn't think they'd ever be able to write a book, because they don't like typing or they don't like writing or they can't concentrate long enough. And there are ways to work together, there's so many wonderful adapted tools now. But these are people like you just mentioned, they didn't fit in school, they didn't necessarily do well. Maybe they weren't great at concentrating, but they're brilliant, they have so much to share with the world. And I'm glad the education system is changing. It helps us all understand people like this and understand our own ways of learning as well.
Jaime White 35:54
Yeah, well, I, I am transitioning to be more of an unschooling mom. And so our children get to pick their method of learning and what they want to learn. And so obviously, everything is still in beta testing. Because they're guinea pigs, but I just really believe in the power of the individual and helping, like, I know that whatever works for me doesn't necessarily work for the entire rest of society. So I am really excited about all the tools and the resources and what you just said, Like it really doesn't matter who people are, there's a story inside of them. And you were able to help bring that out, especially with all the tools that we have today. Like, as you said, somebody could be recording it in audio format, or even on video, they could be sending videos, and there's there isn't anything that they have to be restricted by necessarily, is there anything else, I love this subject, and I love seeing that there's like this possibility that anyone could write a book, is there anything else that you would like to share with our audience about you or about business?
Maggie Mills 36:57
Pursue your dreams, just pursue your dreams, because that was planted in your heart and your mind, if you're excited about the idea, to follow it in some way, that there's a way to get it done. And, you know, maybe it's not a written book, maybe it's an audiobook, or people are telling their stories through podcasts now, which is wonderful. The technology is more accessible, I just encourage people to, try and there's something to be gained in the process.
Jaime White 37:40
Very true. Oh, my goodness, becoming, like recognizing who you are, and learning some things to the process a year ago, it was just a dream to do a podcast. And now to see it as a reality. It's like, you know, the process sometimes takes longer, at least for me, it took longer, in a way than I thought it would. And yet it was super fast. It's like one of those things where you can get a lot farther than you think and you know, say five years. But like in one year, we think we can get farther. Maybe I said that the wrong way. In five years, we can often get way farther than we could even dream of. But in one year, you know, sometimes it might not quite feel like we're making progress. That's true.
Maggie Mills 38:19
That is so much the case. And we need to write these things down. I very much have been a list maker, and it helps to write it down and cross it off your list. But I've sort of walked away from the list because when my work changed, they were it was making me a little tense. And I was always adding more to my list than I could possibly get done in one day. And the first thing I did is I changed the name of the page where I wrote these things down to Maggie's marvelous opportunities, instead of my to-do list. Look at this opportunity I have between now and 5pm.
Jaime White 39:03
I love it. Oh my goodness, it's been so good to talk to you and connect and hear about what you do. And I'm very thankful for the work because I'm glad you're working in your zone of genius, I would not have any ability to help people pull out their stories and then put it into words. So I'm very thankful. And I appreciate you coming in.
Maggie Mills 39:23
I appreciate your time. It's just been so enjoyable chatting with you. And I just hope that maybe there's a nugget here that might help. One of your clients and one of your listeners. If there's one thing that helps somebody today, then my work here is done.
Jaime White 39:43
You've inspired me and I am sure that you will inspire others because your message feels very authentic. And it feels very possible. So thank you.
Maggie Mills 39:53
It is possible. If you know what, I swear I'll stop talking eventually. I went to a high school, I went all my, my school career was spent in a city and the graduate, the graduates of my high school, only about 45% of them were literate after they graduated high school. It was a time when there was a lot of violence in schools and teachers strikes and because it was the city, they weren't getting the funding, and to look at the way I grew up, and where I am now and what I'm doing. I would just want to say, no matter where you are, you can get there. I mean, you take somebody from a school where only 45% of the people can read when they get out. And now she's a ghostwriter. You all are way ahead of me. You can.
Jaime White 40:59
It's possible. I love it. Oh, thank you so much, Maggie.
Maggie Mills 41:04
Thank you. I can't wait to reach out again about something