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EP 6 - What Would it Take to Grow? with Lori Kostenuk

Updated: Jun 13, 2023















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Lori presents life-changing concepts by merging what we know of the laws of the universe with what we read in the Bible. Awareness of energy had a positive impact on her family over 10 years ago when they were desperately looking for answers to the challenges they were facing. After helping many others, Lori felt called to write a book sharing the details of what worked for her family. In this interview, Lori reminds us how to do the work and how important it is!


Author Website Link - www.lorikostenuk.com

Author Website Blog Link - https://www.lorikostenuk.com/blog


 


Jaime White

This is the Believe Crew Podcast, and The Business is You. Being an entrepreneur, no matter what stage of the journey requires personal growth to sustain your success and create the ultimate life of abundance. I'm Jamie White, Founder of Believe Crew and your host. Join me as I interview coaches, entrepreneurs and authors that inspire us to go where they have gone. Be inspired today to grow and be the best you. I am so excited to have Lori Kostenuk, did I say that right?


Lori Kostenuk

Yep, you sure did.


Jaime White

Awesome. Joining me on the podcast today. And Lori wrote a book that has changed my life and many of those that I know. And I'm excited to have her tell us a little bit more about how the book came to be and who she is. So Lori, are you able to tell us a little bit more about the story behind how the book got written and where you are coming from today?


Lori Kostenuk

For sure. Thank you so much, Jamie, for having me on. This is an honor for me.


Lori Kostenuk

Yeah, so Laurie, Kostenuk is my name. And I'm, I'm basically a mom, I'm a wife. I'm a business owner. And now I am an author. And so we've, yeah, so we've come through a fair little bit in the last maybe five years, and which has totally changed the way I go through life now. It's totally changed my thought process, from what we have learned. And yeah, so our son, our baby, we have four children. And so Trent is our youngest. And he, went through some crazy times in his teens. And he's it was just quite a struggle, because we could not figure it out. We he was popular at school, he was attractive, you could say the girls thought he was anyways. And he was confident he had great at school because marks were great. And all of a sudden, he just crumbled. And we could not figure this out. And we were determined, we were going to figure it out. If it was the last thing we do, and we let him know that he is not alone in this. And that we would we would not rest until it was figured out. And the interesting part is what we have learned through our journey, is that where he got his help, was you could say from tapping into the universal energy laws.And yet, I knew that somehow somewhere, this had to be in the Bible, too. I am a Christian mom, all my life, mom, wife.I was a child, we were Christians. And I was a Christian. And it it was really what I all I knew. And yet I couldn't figure this out. And I thought, Well, why would God allow this? Why would he allow my son to go through this torment. And so I searched the scriptures after we, we figured out and it was all there in the Bible. So the purpose of me writing this book is to bridge that gap between the energy world and the biblical language. So it's two different languages. But what we have come to understand is that it's exactly the same thing. Because God created these energy laws. And he created them for us to tap into. So, yeah, that's that's kind of my story. In a nutshell.


Jaime White

I love what you're pointing out and the mission that you're on, you know, I've gotten to the point of saying that I describe myself as Christian woowoo. Because I don't know how else to say like, we're bridging two things that have been kind of kept separate. And the work that we've done in the energy field, because I was kind of in the same place as you I'd been Christian my entire life. And I felt like I was running into things running into walls that I didn't understand why they were there. And even as I started to grow as a person and develop, personally, I was in a cycle that I couldn't seem to get out of, and I just couldn't understand. And part of that was at my husband was an addict. And even if he was in, you know, like, close to recovery or getting into that, like where he wanted to recover, we still couldn't get through some of that. And then as we tapped into some of the energy stuff, it just sped up the process opened up new opportunities. And I was like, I'm not going back. And then the more we looked in the Scriptures, the more we're like, how did we miss this the first time? Like, what? It's been there the whole time?


Lori Kostenuk

Yes, that is exactly. And that is really what has happened, Jamie is, is I've looked, now I look at verses or even Jesus words, with a in a deeper way. And but yet, it's very simple. It's what I think what happens with the Christian community is we tend to spiritualize everything. When really Jesus meant it in the literal way. Like, ask believe that you've received it, and then it shall be yours. I've asked with that belief.


Jaime White

Yeah, I love when you talk about unwavering faith, you know, like, the, the level that I had been praying before, was like, help me Lord, I hope you can, you know, like, where do you want me, but I'm not really sure how to listen. Yes. And then moving into this, like, just knowing and complete unwavering faith of like, okay, if I, if I can't ask an unwavering faith, then I need to do a little bit more digging, and get to a different point myself. And so I love the way that you really bring that out just to be able to, you know, unwavering faith.


Lori Kostenuk

Well, we and that's the thing is, we have to learn small, like faith does begin as a grain of mustard seed. So even trusting in the smaller things, and seeing those manifest, and then the cycle of giving gratitude, and living in that place of gratitude, which gives us confidence to, to maybe ask for something more bold, or to request. Or thank God, in my book, I say that quite a bit is sometimes the greatest way, the most powerful way of asking is thanking God for what you're asking for, as if you've already received I mean, that's Mark 11, and 24. And, and it's powerful, when you can move through life with that, that liberation of knowing that it's all taken care of. And now when there's a struggle that comes up, even in everyday life, or if if something comes up, and the kids will, will send me a text or Hey, say, they'll say, Hey, Mom, can you send me good vibes, I've got this to do, or I've got this to do today, or this has come up, I'll just do that. And I'll, I'll just say, God, Father, I leave this in your hands, please, thank you for taking care of it. And it's just a liberation. Knowing that I don't have to fret about it, if it's, the best thing will show up. And I totally believe that, when we leave it with him, the best thing will show up.


Jaime White

It's, it's been a very interesting journey for my family personally, as Kevin and I have stepped into really believing that it's going to be good, and that whatever God has planned, it's going to be good, even if we don't know and understand it. And so we're definitely in the middle of that on a regular basis. And what did you find? You mentioned your kids again, did all of your kids embrace it? Like what ended up happening in the shift in your family? How, how old was everybody when this started to happen? Because I know, you know, how it's changed our lives and how we talk to each other. It's different.


Lori Kostenuk

Oh, and we catch each other to saying something that is maybe saying negative?


Jaime White

Yes. Yeah. Oh, my kids. Don't let me get by with anything anymore.


Lori Kostenuk

That's awesome. That's awesome. And even just that, that language totally changes our thought process and it creates new brain paths in our brain so that we that becomes automatic then the new way of speaking. But yes, how did it change our family? Okay, so our, the youngest. I think I've said his name Trent. I think you'd be okay with this. He was 18 when you could say the crisis came. And that's a decade ago now. It's hard to believe. But when the crisis came, he was 18. And yes, it affected his he's a twin. So there's another one just like No, no, his twin is very different. But for sure it affected his twin. And all of us. There's two other siblings besides the twins. And in my husband, Orlin's first response with this all took place is well pull up your socks and get over it. That was kind of his first response, like be a man, this is this is just deal with it, get over it. But we've learned that it wasn't that easy. It takes work. It takes belief, it takes different it takes new thought patterns, it takes a new language. It takes a new belief system, a new belief system, which is huge. believe there's a verse that says, As a man thinks so is he. So you've got to change the way you think about yourself. And it's not just saying the words, but you have to believe you have to believe. And so it's it was a process. At first, my first thought was okay, well, you know, we knew we weren't into the big pharma, or, you know, medicating, but I want to clarify that though, because even as a disclaimer, he needed that, to begin with, to get them to a base level, where he could then begin to developed these new brain patterns develop this new language, this new belief system, this faith. So, and what he found, too, is I think it's okay to say this, that, as long as he was on those meds in a, in a big way, or you could say, you know, a regular way, it limited his heights as well, like, so it, it kept him kind of at a base level, it kind of kept him from going lower, but it also kept him from going higher. So he knew that he had to figure this out. Because he did not want to maintain a status quo for the rest of his life, when he knew that joy and love and peace were possible. And the Bible said so. And Jesus, His words, were even, I want you to know, the joy that I have. So he knew it was possible, and I knew it was possible. So he knew that med s would be a short term. Answer. And he was not stopping at that. And so therefore, his determination helped me be determined. And, and yeah, it it, it was just absolutely amazing.


Jaime White

You mentioned about believe, and that's why we named our company believe crew, because when we started understanding how belief systems impact our lives, and I didn't even know they existed, like, you know, just that. And really just believing in people, right? And being mean that the combination of all the things believe means to us, but so your husband came from a place that is very common, and just like, just, you gotta get through this just pull up, you're like, we got to do this. And you started with him on meds to give them a base level, but knowing that that's not where it was going to stay. Again, some of the kids were older at this point and out of the house. So did they come along with you on the ride? Or were they like, what are you guys into?


Lori Kostenuk

Okay, so our older son was well on his way, like he had his own life. He was going to law school at that time. And so he didn't know the details, but he knew something was up. And our daughter, she was very much empathetic, she was she was right where we were, you know, we got to figure this out. And meanwhile, she was going through her own stuff too, at that time. So I tell you during those years, I lost weight. People say to me, oh, Lori , your life is so easy. And you've got four adults that are this and that and we're adults, you Other than that, or this and that, you know, you've done so well. Well, I tell you, we've been through the mill. And nobody knows, nobody knows that. And it's not that we've hidden it. But we just we just, were focused on dealing with it. Yeah. And, but we have learned so much we have learned to create. Yeah. And he like where he was by his last year of university. He was literally creating his world. And I just want to tell you one, one little story that was kind of cool. Just to just kind of the beginning versus kind of the end of his, his, you know, those that you just that university journey. In his last year, he was down in Wyoming going to university and finishing his engineering degree. And he was in his he was showing up his roommates, he had some roommates, and he was in his last year. So here's last six months, so he didn't really have a choice of who he could room with. So he was given just an opportunity. He was just given a room for six months, which was unusual at that time, but so he had these roommates that were, they were sound, guys. And so they had in the living room, they had set up $10,000 worth of equipment and sound equipment. And so when Trent got there, he's like, Oh, my goodness, I'm really into the party scene here or what? But anyways, he called me one night, and he said, You know, I'm going to study mom till about three this morning, three in the morning, and then I got to get up at five and do this, this midterm. And he said, so send me good energy. And so Okay, I will. And so he, he says, I'll catch up on my sleep tomorrow night. So, tomorrow night, the next night, he calls me at 830. And he says, Mom, you're never going to believe what is going on in this house. He said, There is like 30 people in my living room. The music, the sound system is just shaking the whole building. And here I am literally in my walk in closet trying to get some sleep. And he's exhausted. And I said, Trent, you know what to do? He says, Yeah, I do. And he saw what he did, he told me after he said, I just thank God for taking care of the situation. And he said, Thanks, Father for taking care of the situation immediately. By the time he walked to the door of his room, he opened the door. And people were filing out of his apartment. And his buddy in an adjoining in a different room. He opened the door, he couldn't believe it. He says, I just can't believe it all of a sudden, the they said, Okay, let's get out of here. And they started leaving. It was cool. And he just absolutely knew that God would take care of it. That is where his faith was at the end of his university term. That's amazing. Yeah. And, and, and I did mention this in the book, too. But I'll might just mention it again. For your viewers. At the end of his university term, he was kind of running out of funds, you could say, and he, he's used to calling the mom and dad bank. But anyways, he just he just said, Thanks, God for sending funds to complete this so that I can do my purpose for my life. And so within a day or two, he would always this happened many times, he would get an email saying, you got the scholarship, you know, like immediately 2500 was in his account, you know, immediately like that is the kind of level of belief he was at near the end of his term. And it wasn't a selfish thing. It was, you know, this is an issue, thanks for taking care of it. So that I can do what I'm supposed to be doing and focusing on my purpose. And so he would have had to have inspiration, he would have had to have responded to inspiration that came, say six months before to apply for these scholarships, right? So that's what I always say to my readers is whenever you feel inspired to do something, when it feels light Do you feel moved to do something when you have a gut feeling about something, respond, do something. If it's picking up a phone, making a phone call, if it's sending somebody an email, just do it because you don't know down the road. What will show up because of what you did six months ago. And there's a lot of people who feel that a lot of see one of the biggest challenges in the Christian world is they feel we feel I was raised feeling this way, too, is that God doesn't care about the natural things.


Jaime White

Like I've heard that a lot. When when when we get that kickback. And it's really hurt a lot of people to believe that.


Lori Kostenuk

Yes. And it actually limits our faith. And when we do that, because what we're saying is, because God cannot give us beyond what we believe, right? So if we believe that God doesn't care about that, well, then he won't deal with that he won't be a part of that. So if we, I mean, so I guess for many Christians, you actually need more faith to be able to believe that, because it's been, it's been really a tough one for a lot of people. We know what the Bible teaches us that God takes care of the birds of the air. So why would he not take care of us? He takes care of their basic needs. So why wouldn't he take care of us? And I think the reason why we were raised with that thought process is because there was a selfish, they were worried about maybe the selfish requests that we could make. But we have to remember, we have to believe it. Okay. I mean, I can say, I can ask God for $5 million. But do I believe it? Obviously, I wouldn't. I don't believe that like, right? You know what I mean? So, we That's why your faith has to begin as a grain of mustard seed.


Jaime White

Right? Yeah, this is very, this has been a very interesting process for me over the last 15 years, because my mom died of cancer in 2006. And my husband's mom died of cancer the year later, and, you know, we had been interested in in doing alternative things, you know, and so both of them had been kind of, on the alternative side of things. But we were more into, you know, eating good food or trying alternative supplements, and we spent hundreds of dollars over the years in supplements. And then now with our family, we've turned completely to energy, again to, you know, trusting that God is, you know, interested in healing us, according to our faith, too. And when I think about some of the ways that I was stuck before, there were things I didn't want to believe to be true. And there's a verse in Proverbs, I can never remember if it's 17:22, or 22:17. But it says that A merry heart is like good medicine. And sorrow dries up the bones. And my mom had dry bones, she had had rods put in her arms, and the marrow came out of sawdust. And it was I, that verse to me today is so clear and so simple. But 15 years ago, I couldn't understand the verse, I literally couldn't comprehend it, because I didn't want to believe that she was so full of sorrow. And so part of this journey has been letting go of giving things meaning and letting go of the things I thought to be true. And even, obviously, like you say, you know, judgment, stops flow and so many things, and it's just like, one little piece at a time, I'll do one little piece, it probably took me 10 years, maybe not quite, to be willing to be ready to understand what that verse meant. And so when I see that for myself, I understand how it can be a challenge, you know, to truly believe because there's some things there's some people that we know, that we love, and if we, if we knew the truth, or if we were willing to accept the truth, it might, it might cause pain. And that's really what I found for myself.


Lori Kostenuk

Yes, so true. So true. And one thing that I like so even in this, this, this thought process, that it's selfish to ask for natural things. What stresses us out the most actually is the lack of, of, you could say, the lack of money or the lack of, whatever it is in our life. So does it not make sense that if we didn't have to worry about that, that we could focus more on our purpose, our life's purpose. So when I asked for, for something, it could it could be for the betterment of somebody's situation it could be whatever it is, I just know that if I ask for it and leave it in God's hand, that I'm no longer stressing about it, it's no longer an issue. If you can't pay your bills, that's a stress. And so then our focus rather than being on our purpose, it's on those bills that you can't pay. It's on. It's on your somebody's relationship, it's on, say, a court case it's on. So to be able to leave, leave things in God's hands is a liberation. That is unspeakable, really, it's just absolute liberating, to be able to leave it in God's hands. And then we could focus on our purpose in life what God lays on our heart and the promises he puts on our heart, we can focus on that. And I mean, there is a danger of maybe asking for selfish requests, and, and even believing that you're going to get it. But you know, we have to remember that that does bring leanness to our soul. And the Bible tells us that because that happened to those of the Old Testament is that they, they made the request, but it brought leanness to their soul. So we have to remember that whatever we ask, this is what I do. When I ask for something. I ask in such a way that I am thanking God for taking care of that situation, so that I couldn't focus on my purpose and that he would be glorified. Not me. So it would be for his glorification. And I would add that on to whatever my request is. And then after you see it being realized, your manifested, then you glorify Him, you give him the praise, he gets the credit, not you, not me, he gets the praise, and then it's a positive cycle. God loves it. When, see, and that's the thing is, is God loves to be glorified. But it's not because I don't believe it's because of him, him having any selfish desires to be glorified. But it's because he knows what it does for us. He knows how we feel when we glorify Him. And when we live in that state of gratitude, it shifts our energy up our level of faith up, so and just getting back to the bridging that metaphysic metaphysical bridge between the energy world and the spiritual worlds or the Christian world, sorry, the energy world, they're both switch, they're both spiritual. But just the language part, we in the energy world, we call it increasing our level of consciousness, okay, to a higher level of consciousness, whereas in the Christian world, we talked about increasing our faith. So they're both they're both increasing our belief system. And the two sides, the two, you could say it a lot of Christians, I think, get a little bit leery about the energy world because they think of woowoo they think of, you know, I don't know what else but


Jaime White

I only had someone ask if we if it was witchcraft, and I think we have people, you know, unfriending us and, and, and I'm like, I can't go back. You know, I am not interested in going back.


Lori Kostenuk

It's, it's, it's that's fear. That's a fear based thought. Yeah. Witchcraft is direct them to the Bible. Yeah. direct them to the Bible. Say if you call that witchcraft, it's about trusting in God that he's going to take care of it, that he's going to take care of the situation. And I just remember, we had one family member that had a troubled husband, and there was a court case going to happen and and I personally did not want him in jail. Because he had children and yet I did not want, you know, yet I was worried about him being released because he could harm his wife. So I just, I just prayed that God would take care of it. And you know what, he did an amazing thing. And even the lawyers involved, they had never even heard of what the settlement was before, they had never seen it before. And yet, it was actually called a peace bond. And in Canada, we don't even hear like these lawyers didn't even hear about peace bonds. So he still had he had, he still had the you could say the restraining order, but yet he didn't go to jail. So his kids didn't have to deal with their father in jail. And, but yet, he still had to go through all these programs like anger management, and he had to do a series of this, we couldn't have asked for anything, you know, better. It was just amazing like that. You couldn't say, well, that's a natural situation. But you know, what? It's everything natural. Mental, you could say physical, mental, and spiritual, like, the old fact, they're all intermingle, they all affect each other. And if we've got blocks, that can affect our health.


Jaime White

Yeah, that's often. Yeah, you're reminding me of something that happened recently for someone that we were working with. And she had a situation that she just really felt was almost impossible. And she just did not know how to get out of it. And she didn't know if she could go through it. And it just really felt overwhelmingly impossible. And I remember asking her if she could believe that, you know, it could be possible that there could be a miracle, and like, God could take the situation and, and she was at the point where she really just could barely even believe that, like, it was just so set in stone, it was just gonna happen. And then I remember asking, like, well, how will we start with what would it take for you to be willing to believe? Or, or to have the courage to believe you know, like, something that's like, we gotta go back a little bit. You're not at the point where you believe it can be possible. So we need to get you to the point of like, what will it take for, for you to believe it could be possible?


Lori Kostenuk

Awesome. It sounds like you read my book.


Jaime White

And the amazing thing, which I knew, I felt like, I've been in a place where I see the potential in people and I see the potential in what he could create. And I'm like, and I remember saying to her, like, I see this, I know you don't right now. And she left and I got a text from her two days later. And something that we could not have created we could have not thought to ask for. But we literally just left it in like the what would it take stage? And it was the most perfect solution that we could have never asked thought to ask them.


Lori Kostenuk

Yeah, like that question is powerful. What would it take? Because what that does is it opens a world of possibilities that that, like you say, that you'd never even thought of? Whereas if we, if we would say, you know, what would it or say we believe a certain solution has to happen? A certain it has this is the way it has to be solved? Well, that totally limits God. It limits all possibilities. But whereas if we leave it open, yeah. And if we don't look for answers, like when we say what will it take for the situation to be resolved? And don't look for answers, then that leaves God totally open. And it will be settled in the best way possible.


Jaime White

I'm laughing. Yeah, I'm loving because it's so amazing. And it's so awesome. And I've seen it happen. And yet, I still find myself in those moments of like, okay, you know, Kevin and I trying to figure something out ourselves, and forgetting to just say, what would it take and being totally available? It's like, we're like, we ride that line of unbelief all the time. Or where belief is just like, so fragile. It's like, oh, I don't know if I can trust it this time. You said, you know, so much has changed with your family. And I'm just assuming that your husband is now completely on board is that?


Lori Kostenuk

Yes. He's still I wouldn't call him like he still. Yeah. He's very careful. I mean, but he's, he's definitely on board. And he's because he's seen he's seen a miracle happen. Right. And I would say, like, he still hasn't, he still doesn't use the energy language though. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So but yeah, his faith in God has his faith in has definitely in crease. But he's just kind of,


Jaime White

you know what I mean? I totally know what you mean.


Lori Kostenuk

You just need some use that he doesn't feel totally comfortable to use the laws of the universe language,


Jaime White

I was very hesitant to different things at first. And I remember even when we first saw this a couple of years ago, and I said to my husband and my sister in law, the two that are in Beleive Crew with me, Kara that you met. And she has, by the way, given out your book quite a bit. Oh, and. And so I sat down with him, and I said, Something's missing, like, there's and so we all decided that we were going to go, you know, we'd all been coming from a Christian based perspective, she was actually in the ministry. And it was like, what, what is this that we're missing, because something is still. And when she first started to bring some things to me with with a little different language, I remember being like, that's for you. You know, it has taken a little bit for me to even get comfortable with some of the language. But again, a lot of the language is even in the Bible. But it's, it's how we interpret it. And so it's just been really interesting to go through the process ourselves, and, and then our family transition,


Lori Kostenuk

but just say you take the law of attraction or the law of vibration. So that what that is, whatever you send out, is what you get back, or what you send out is what you attract back to you. Okay, that's the law of attraction. And a lot of people think that's woowoo. But you take mark, 11 and 24. Ask, and these are Jesus words, ask, believe that you've already received it, and it shall be yours. Well, that's the law of attraction right there. The law of vibration, right there. And yet, it's just a different language.


Jaime White

Right. Right. Right. And so I think just fully stepping into that. So it sounds like it's amazing the transformation that's been made. And really, I'm very thankful for your book and the work that you've done to be able to combine the two because I don't know very many other books that have done that. And so I'm very thankful. I know there's an audible coming out, hopefully.


Lori Kostenuk

Yes, actually have that. Yep, I've got I've got them in my little, the uploads downloads in my little hands right now. So I just have to exciting. Yeah, get that on Audible.


Jaime White

Well, I know that. There'll be many that I'll be excited about that. And then is there anything next for you in terms of where you feel called that God is leading you in this lane? Or you I know some of your other business work has been in personal development? Do you feel like you've been able to combine the two I guess what's next?


Lori Kostenuk

I don't think I don't really combine that. Like, I know, I really appreciate what you're doing. But we've got some franchises that we've got to kind of be still careful with. So we've had, you haven't really been able to combine the two. That's why I really appreciate what you're doing that you've got that liberty to do that. I'm writing another book. And it's, it's not as quick as the other one was, but there's been Yeah, it's just been very, a very interesting journey. And very, very interesting journey. And even just writing the other book wasn't something that I had always, I had never thought I would write a book, it was never one of my life's goals. But I just remember just what we've been through with Trent and get into the other side. And then I just like I mentioned this in the book, as well in the introduction, just how this one young lady's one of our Christian friends, her face just kept popping into my head. And so I just started to make a long story short, I just started working with her and I knew that she would never know be able to comprehend or, you know, the this energy language. So I looked in the Bible to try and find verses that because I knew it was there. I knew it had to be because this is God. You know, this is tapping into what the energy laws that he has provided for our life, our healing, and our living you know, and living abundantly. So it's it's been a real journey. And when I came, I had a compilation of all these different energy laws that I worked with her and then one day, it just Hay House came across my computer screen while I remember asking God because I just kind of got this. Well, I guess I was spending a lot of time helping people individually. And my husband was actually says, well, Laurie, maybe you should, you know, kind of put something together. Other and like maybe not a book, but he didn't think of a book, but he thought just something that I could just send to people. So I wouldn't be taking all this time away from our business is great. I was thinking, but so it was on my mind and it just, I didn't get peace. And so finally I said, Okay, father, if you want me to write a book, please make it obvious. And that's my question. I do ask that question a lot. If I'm supposed to do this or that please make it obvious. And usually something obvious will happen. And, and so and sure enough, Balboa press, a division of Hay House came right across my screen that afternoon. And it just went from there.


Jaime White

I love it. So the second book, any teasers for us?


Lori Kostenuk

Well, there's Yeah, it's actually kind of fun. I actually have a lot of like, I'm having a lot of fun kind of working with it, playing with it. It's not as a lot as much Scripture. As the as the first one was, and yeah, but it's, it's the same.


Jaime White

Very cool. Um, I think I was going to ask you, if you've ever heard of the book Biology of Belief by Dr. Bruce Lipton, and their


Lori Kostenuk

I know Dr. Bruce Lipton, I've actually met him.


Jaime White

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I hadn't known anything. And I was just starting down the journey and different books from different people, I take little pieces of this and little pieces of that. And his book, The Biology of Belief, really explains how the church had to make a decision between, and I'm not super scientific and understand this stuff very well. But between our bodies being a machine and our bodies being a bodies of energy. And that explains a lot of why we've been avoiding the verses or reading the verses in terms of believing that they're energetic. So that's


Lori Kostenuk

interesting. Interesting. Yeah, we'll have to go pick that book up. You know, we are 99.9% energy.


Jaime White

I felt like after he explained it, I was like, whatever he just said, I believe all of that made a huge impact in our ability to, you know, learn and grow. And the interesting thing too, for me has been when I've, you know, offered some suggestions or some thoughts to people, and even some books, and they've said, Oh, you need to be careful, you know, I just want you to be careful, and their carefulness actually comes from fear and worry. But then the next thing that they will literally do, I've had this happen, is they will hand me a book by someone that's, you know, maybe atheist, maybe, you know, not Christian at all, from that perspective, and they're like, Hey, I was reading this great book, and I'm like, How come this one's okay?


Lori Kostenuk

Well, well, and the thing is, is that the last few years through COVID, has taught us a lot as well. And if there hasn't been any growth and learning, then I don't know what it will take.


Jaime White

Right? It was an opportunity, it was absolutely an


Lori Kostenuk

It was an opportunity to totally dive deeper. And we're all on our own journey. Like, right, all right. And, and like, I've had some people, some people in our Christian community, reach out from all over the world, that are kind of going struggling and going through some of the same things. Like anxiety, or some challenges that they have that they don't they don't understand why it's there. But yeah, so they've, they've got they picked up a few gems from my book. And so they say, Okay, well, based on what, you know, how, how do you how can you go back and, and, and, you know, have fellowship with, say, people that aren't on the same page, or who are kind of stuck in tradition or whatever. And I said, Well, you know, you kind of go through this period where there's judgment, okay. Like, where this person particular person was Is she was at a place of judgment at judging all the others who are judging her right and so it like, life is a mirror and, and we see where each other as we are. So I say, I was at that place at one point to where I'm looking around thinking, Oh, my goodness, all these people are judging. Well, that's because I was I was at that place. Right? So I was judging them for judging me. But where I can honestly say where I am now is I am very much aware that are what I'm very much aware that they are where they are, because that's where they're meant to be at this stage in their journey. I love them. So I can totally love them with compassion. And I'll say ok that's just where they are. That's just where they are. And that's where they that's where they're supposed to be right now. And so like, I, I love them I love. Yeah, yeah, I really, I really can be at a place a compassion right now for people where they are


Jaime White

And that's so amazing. My husband has the line going through his head regularly now whatever comes love that you know. And so every once in a while I used to back at him, right? Like, there's something that comes up like, whatever comes love that you know. But absolutely, it feels so much more. Like I've said recently, that unforgiveness is like cholesterol to the brain is kind of how I explain it. It's almost like it makes our our thoughts fuzzy and clouded. And, you know, like you've said, judgment, steps flow. And so the more that we embrace, this love, and this idea of truly loving where we are, and where others Where's, where others are on their journey. It just, it totally shifts my entire body and being. So I'm very thankful. Yeah.


Lori Kostenuk

And one thing that I've come to discover is love the love of God. Or that is an energy, it's an energy of love. It is a frequency. And so it's not just about us, flicking a switch and saying, I love God. It's about moving upwards, our level of consciousness, our faith, whatever language we want to use, moving upward to that frequency of love. And, and when we do not feel that love anymore, or say we were going through an experience where we do not feel that love. Well, that love is still at the same frequency. Right? We just have moved down into a lower frequency. So we just have to start with gratitude again. give praise to God for all things, even the sunset.


Jaime White

Oh, that's my favorite.


Lori Kostenuk

Oh my goodness. We live on a hill we live on.


Jaime White

Jealous we live in the woods.


Lori Kostenuk

Oh, see, there's beauty there too, though.


Jaime White

Yes, there is. But I do chase sunsets.


Lori Kostenuk

Yeah, you miss the sunsets? That's right. Yeah. But every night like, if I'm in town, it's 430. Like in the winter at 430. I gotta get home before. So I can watch the sunset, I make it all start supper while this you know sunsets. And I give glory to God for that. And living in that state is just, yeah, it's liberating.


Jaime White

Well, thank you so much. Lori, is there anything else that you would love to share with our guests? I really appreciate your time today and everything that you've shared, and if nothing else, it was meant for me, because there's just been so much here.


Lori Kostenuk

Ah, thank you. I just want to remind everyone that, that they're a creator, you guys are all our creators, and whether intentional or unintentional. So we create our world around us based on our belief system, based on who we believe we are based on what we trust in. So in my book I do I do mention how to intentionally create versus unintentionally. When we unintentionally create, we are victims. When we intentionally create we are empowered. And that's where I want to leave this today is you got this.


Jaime White

I love it. Thank you so much. Really, really appreciate it.


Lori Kostenuk

Thank you. Thank you Jaime.

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